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Perianal Adenocarcinoma In A Dog
Hi,

Have a 11yo Malamute M(N) presented 3w ago, 1w post Sx for perianal adenocarcinoma with a nonfunctional uncharacterized adrenal mass found on staging that is thought to be a possible met? He had paraneoplastic hypercalcemia that normalized by day 5 post sx. He is a fussy dog and o worried about supplement fatigue/food adversion.

Dog presented to be sl cold, deficient with feeble deep, poss toned pulse and active BL17-18 and GB29. Underside tongue had some obv vasculization. Lavender on top. Pulse improved w needling above.

Hx was ltd and been well dog. Had been fed mix home prep natural + weight loss kibble. He lost 8kg unexplained prior to tumour detection earlier this year. He is BCS 6/9. so was markedly obese previous by deduction.

O interested in general support and to hear me out re: C or AM and was scheduled to go back to primary vet to discuss chemo at 3w mark.

I sent him home with BZYQT as he seemed Qi deficient and allopathically post surgery. I also sent him home w WLT in case. O phoned and advised diarrhoea from BZYQT ? so advised swap to WLT and presumed there was a latent damp tendency manifesting.

I rechecked him today he has gained 500g, he is reportedly brighter. BCS 6/9. I also sent him home w a vitamin A/D/C micronutrient mix, probiotics, Ge Xie Zhu Yu Tang and Mushroom 7 (Bioceuticals australia) to check palatability as he is a fussy dog. I also advised start creeping fish oil for cachexia. Adv stop all high CHO food immediately.

O reports herbs in food a little hit and miss, tolerated WLT the best. Loves probiotics and micronutrient mix (Wellbeing essentials).

His pulse is deep, thin, feeble, but definitely a slippery edge to it now. He was active at KI3, BL23-24. Tongue was pale and lavender underside. The WLT hasnt made him appear hot in O opinion. Needled points perhaps pulse came out a little.

Ass is spleen qi def, probably damp, kidney deficiency?

I have sent the dog home on Wei Ling Tang and 50/50% Xue Fu Zhu Yu Tang/ Shao Fu Zhu Yu Tang (I was going to do straight XFZYT but didnt have enough in dispensary). I had wanted GXZYT but didnt feel it fit metaphorically yet.

I anticipate he may change again in next month of high CHO diet. I have elected to go for a metaphoric and biochemical mix of WLT/ZYT based herbs. It is a friday afternoon so dont know if best idea. I have held off adding Curcuma yet as want to see how energetics go on this formula.

Now this gets me to my question; what prognosis do others think this may afford. I have adv client 12 mo would be amazing. Local boarded oncologists said 3-6mo w chemo.

Does anyone have insights into how these patients can fair, Steve and Erin particularly interested to hear. O would consider metronomic chemo and an integrative approach, but cant afford radiation. Let me know if you have seen patients do better w chemo + herbs than herbs along.

Next month if fussyness gone, will add Coriolus/Reishi/Curcuma/perhaps San Leng. As an aside, what are the energetics of San Leng. I tasted it, seems sweet/bland, so suspect it is warming?

Thanks in advance,

Matt
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by naturevet
May 18, 2018
Hi Matt,

It seems like you're circling around the right formulas. One of our recent cases went two years before euthanasia was warranted. We managed him for the bulk of that time with Rehmannia Eight and Xue Fu Zhu Yu Tang. The Kidney deficiency you're seeing here makes that a consideration. Eventually, as mets revealed themselves and hypercalcemia recurred, we incorporated Minor Bupleurum instead of the Rehmannia Eight

There were other supplements involved - vitamins A and D, Penta-Genesis (elk antler velvet) - but in my experience, at least a year seems reasonable to expect. I have my doubts that the adrenal mass is a met. At our clinic, we have not integrated conventional treatments other than surgery in these cases

San Leng is considered neutral, by the way.

Steve
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