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Immune Dysregulation???
by mnewk - October 9, 2020
Just attended the lectures. Chinese crested. recently diagnosed Cushings. complete with calcinosis cutis. now on trilostene. severe recurrant pyodermas. incessant itch, needs E collar all the time! Tried the nettles. no help. Antibiotics of mild help. Apoquel did work but not now. baths help but temporary. He had a skin biospy in recent history but no diagnosis. skin is hot.
has valuvlar disease, on enalapril. apetite moderate to poor. depressed. eosinophils high.
dog started itching and food allergy at 8 months old. now 7 years old. male neutered.
he is on colostrum, probiotics and omega 3.
ha secondary malessizia.
I am not chinese medicine certified, but I did try Qing Yin tang (before the ahvma conference). and even tried amitriptyline with the thought of a behavioral component. no luck
post ahvma I now have dog on minor bupleurum.
but the incessant itch is almost manical
other dogs in house not itchy
Mark Newkirk.
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by naturevet
October 11, 2020
Hi Mark,

Given the intensity of the itch, has scabies been ruled out (by testing the efficacy of a miticide on symptoms)?

If yes, then the first thing I would try is a real food low starch diet, such as a commercial raw diet or a homemade one. As you may recall from the lectures, the response to real food tells us whether you are dealing with inflammation dysregulation or immune dysregulation.

Cushings + very hot skin + intense symptoms = a 'hot and excessive' condition, making me think of Damp Heat, inflammation dysregulation, and Si Miao San.

First, though, given the eosinophils, give the Minor Bupleurum a chance. It often doesn't work in many dogs unless teamed with Si Wu Tang. If the dog is actually Damp, though, the Si Wu Tang may be aggravating. This then is the value of trying a real food diet first of some type: it helps eliminate the chance of making things worse.

Lastly, if Apoquel helped A LOT but now not, then we might be looking at a secondary Wei Qi deficiency from the Apoquel. It happens frequently. The main symptom of that is deep recalcitrant pyoderma. Especially if the lesions are bleeding, then the first thing I would do is try Bu Yang Huan Wu Tang along with antibiotics. Once significant improvements are seen, it should become more apparent what the cause of the problem is, whether Inflammation or Immune Dysregulation

I hope that helps

Steve Marsden
by mnewk
October 12, 2020
Thank you!! love your lectures as always, I learn so much
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