I will likely be posting a more formal case here soon for a new patient I saw yesterday. He is an older Lab with copper storage disease, hypoalbuminemia, protein losing nephropathy, and mild elevated Alk Phos, mostly normal ALT. Tongue is pale and wet, pulses feel deficient to me. He has not tolerated benazepril or penicillamine for the liver disease and protein loss so is only on liver prescription diet. I know the internist and owner will have questions re: herb safety with the copper storage disease. Is it ok to treat him based on pattern or are there herbs that have a lot of copper in them? I appreciate any insight!!