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Itchy Paws In A Dog
by CorinneC - October 24, 2025    View Case Report
Ollie is a 22mth old MN mini Australian Shepherd that I saw last Spring for allergies. O was a human acupuncturist and wanted an alternative to Apoquel and poor quality kibble. When he was ~1yo, his eyes were constantly pinkish with milky discharge, told he had follicular conjunctivitis by Ophtho, first sign of allergies? Gradually noted him scratching at eyes and ears, ears always looked WNL. Progressed to licking, then chewing aggressively at paws, mostly underside, trying to get into i/d areas. Switched at this point to raw duck, rabbit, alligator, kangaroo - chewing feet still. Then Purina hydrolyzed soy protein from raw/cooked - feet finally got better. The Purina diet worked for awhile but stopped being effective, still on it now. Coat became dull with it. Put on Apoquel BID for "seasonal allergies". O tried homeopathics Sulphur and Cantharis which reduced Apoquel needs to SID. Seems to be allergic to all protein. Even tried soldier fly larva kibble - scratching a little bit, inconclusive results. Very happy well adjusted Earthy pup. Stools WNL, plentiful, formed. No V+ or regurg. Stools WNL on raw too. Great appetite. Ever since pup, ears and nose have always been hot, ears feel like steam coming out of them. On PE in May 2025, tongue light pink-lavender, thin edges, decent size, low on moisture; pulses sl taut/wiry but overall toned. Lovely well socialized pup. At this point, I forgot about the trend of better on kibble, worse on raw not being ShaoYang and put him on Cessorex, thinking "leaky gut and dysbiosis (poss familial) creating hypersensitization, thus ShaoYang disharmony with Liver Blood/Yin deficiency. I did some AQ (can't remember points and did not record! for sure GV20, GB20, GV14, SP6, ST36, LI4, LIV3) and also rec'd a Plant-based dog recipe as O adamant dog cannot tolerate animal protein.

Saw for recheck June 2025 and no change. After AQ, the next day his nose was cold and wet, unusual for him, typically has heat wafting from ears and dry hottish nose. Still having whitish eye discharge. Most days on Apoquel BID, still scratches at ears, eyes, feet. Had been licking underside of feet, now licks between toes on topside of front feet as well. Tried one batch of vegetarian food, he loves it, but then O got lazy so back on Purina HA vegetarian. Tongue and pulse the same. So then suspected more of a Wei Qi deficiency with Liver Blood/Yin deficiency. After looking back on my Dr Steve lecture notes, Wei Qi deficiency made more sense because he is worse with allergies in the winter mths typically, worse at night with itching, more common in young dogs, common post vaccine vaccinosis, responds well to abx and Apoquel (but will eventually lose effectiveness), worse on fresh whole foods/better on processed. Changed to Bu Zhong Yi Qi Tang.

1 mth later O returned BZYQT and never returned so I just reached out to her...and was crushed to get her reply. First of all, she reprimanded me for using "leaky gut and dysbiosis" for a DDX on her dog when describing Qi Stagnation and Shaoyang disharmony when I used Cessorex. Coles notes was she thought BZYQT was the wrong formula for him, and would make his symptoms worse, rather than better. She felt the list of indications she read up on were the opposite to his symptoms. Her words "He is a young and healthy dog, strong and full of energy, with an abundant Yang, he has an aversion to heat and thirst for cold beverages. He doesn’t curl up, but rather sleeps on his back belly up, with legs in the air to cool down. These are signs of a strong Qi, with signs of excess heat and Yin deficiency. In the “Commentary” it describes symptoms of severe Qi and Yang deficiency, such as organ prolapse and incontinence, which Ollie doesn’t have. The “Cautions and Contraindications” mention Yin deficiency, which Ollie does have".

And she went on..."I hope this gives you some insight into how complex it is. It’s unreasonable to expect you to know it after a short course. The important thing is that it is a very powerful medicine. It can be a cure, but, at the same time, if the wrong herbs are given, it can cause harm. If my advice would be welcome, I would suggest focusing on a solid foundation of TCM principles, diagnosis and treatment". Here she rec's a local human TCM college..."I truly believe that you would get so much more out of it, than from veterinary TCM seminars, where they teach the “paint-by-numbers” approach. It might get results with simple things like sprains and orthopaedics, but not with internal medicine, which requires a deep understanding of TCM, and that can't be achieved through short courses. I hope this explains my thinking. TCM is a powerful medicine and needs to be studied in depth if you are to use it. Otherwise, you get frustrated with not getting results, and TCM’s reputation is damaged, because people think that they’ve tried TCM, and it didn’t work."

So initially I was hard on myself and took it all personally but I am sharing this because I want your input to see where I might have gone wrong? I still see BZYQT as a good fit? What do you think?

Thanks in advance,
Corinne in Victoria
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by naturevet
October 25, 2025
Hi Corinne,

I agree that BZYQT is one of a few things that leaps to mind, especially when a hydrolyzed diet is what makes the dog better. That for sure tells us Spleen deficiency.

The other big Spleen formula for a dog worse in winter is Chu Shi Wei Ling Tang, since it treats Wind Damp Heat invasions, which are common in winter. Pure Damp Heat with no Wind component is a summer diagnosis.

The hot head thing is odd, though, and makes me think the dog is not adequately internalizing Yang. Qing Ying Tang can definitely help with that. If Yang is exterior, it is not interior powering digestion, so it is feasible it could help, especially if the dog was very inflamed. Otherwise, CHJLGMLT is another formula I would think of for the same reason. If the dog is Yin deficient (like she says) then it could help (such as in the form of Halscion).

Anyway, I guess which of the above might help is a moot point, since after that kind of snarky feedback, I would not expect to be seeing much of her. Interesting that despite all her TCM expertise she is flaunting, she can't figure out her dog...

I don't know where she was pulling her descriptions from. Maybe a Chi text? Or the Kan guide (that wasn't written by me)? Anyway, the text she is drawing from appears somewhat simplistic as is her understanding of BZYQT. I suspect she will not get any further with her dog, which is too bad. I think you were circling around the right ideas. It may even need a BZYQT-CHJLGMLT mix.

Steve
by CorinneC
November 2, 2025
Ok, I plan to write her back. Not necessarily to "get her back" but to clarify. She did insult me with the suggestion that I haven't taken enough training, but I just don't want to bring ego into this. I have helped a lot of animals, and I have made a ton of mistakes along the way telling myself at times that I am "pruning the branches", but we also don't have an animal telling us what they are feeling. While I am not perfect I do try my very best.

The CSWLT makes sense in a way as he is on heavily-Dampening food but the itchy skin is at extremities, not the ventrum, and he had no obvious digestive weakness?? But in reading about CSWLT further, you mention in your book about the gut mucosal damage from processed food and rapid absorption causing food allergies. This could explain his apparent "allergy to meat" according to the O?

I was initially debating on using Halscion over Cessorex for the heat in the head. Wish I had started there as this would have confirmed or denied the Yin deficient heat but alas...

Her descriptions seem to come from a human source, maybe Maciocia?

Corinne
by naturevet
November 5, 2025
It seemed like she was referencing a vet text of some type, for example by over-interpreting her dog's posture.

Anyway, CSWLT treats Wind Damp Heat invasion, which can begin on the dorsum as well as the ventrum, and definitely on the extremities.

I think the 'allergy to meat' is questionable. Again, I think she is over- (and somewhat simplistically) interpreting the results of something she tried in the past.

Anyway, a moot point. But at least you know a bit more about CSWLT!

S
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